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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 3:47:42 GMT -5
Hey guys, I'm about to buy Windows 7 but I don't know what edition. Can someone please answer me this: - A friend told me that the Home edition doesn't fully support a Quad Core processor. I don't really believe that, but is it true? - For some heavy games, is the Home edition sufficient? - I'm have very little knowledge of software. Do I need the Professional edition then? - Lastly, what would you recommend? Many thanks in advance!
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Post by <AL>{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 10:16:42 GMT -5
i would strongly reccomend staying with your present os till time to purchase a new machine, unless of course you build your own, then disreguard this alltogather.
you could pirate them from the newsgroups to try them then go buy if need be as well.,... alt.2600.binaries
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Post by THERION{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 10:33:02 GMT -5
Yo Lion, Windows 7 has almost the same versions that Vista have, i would recomend professional edition (cause i need to have a more flexible OS) but in any version of W7 u'll be able to have the same Hardware benefits. It's good to know that if u buy a 32bits OS, u only will use 4GB of RAM even if u have 8GB installed. Also i recommend u a 64bit OS version. Here's a link of a chart of OS versions windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/compare?T1=tab20 , it will be usefull 4 u. To answer ur question, Home Edition is sufficient for Heavy Games (if your hardware is good enough to run them). Also like AL said, i'm still using vista, 'cause i'm waiting for aplications developers to make their app's fully compatible with windows 7, and for microsoft to realease at least SP1 or an important number of updates. Don´t hesitate to ask me if you need more help cheers
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 13:13:34 GMT -5
Al,
I'll be starting to build my machine when my ordered video card arrives. On that new system I would like to have the latest Windows. Thanks for your reply anyway!
Therion,
I have bought 6GB of RAM and a Quad-Core processor. I understand from you that I need the 64bit to make optimal use of the memory and that both the Home and Professional edition are compatible with the Quad-Core. Right?
I'll be start building shortly. The current version of Windows 7 is alright, or do you strongly suggest to wait for a Service Pack or Update?
Thanks man!
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Post by THERION{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 14:00:25 GMT -5
It depends on what applications u r gonna use, those app's are too old (before Windows XP)? If u only will use that rig for the newest games, and ET of course , web surfing, Office, chat and stuff like that, u'll fine with 7. i suggest think about what app's u r gonna install, check if those app's are compatible with 7 and done ;D
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 14:11:53 GMT -5
I can't think of any applications I'll use that are before Windows XP. It will notably be new games, ET, web surfing and MS Office.
For those, the Home edition is sufficient? For this Windows 7 in its current version is good enough?
These are my last two questions man, thanks!
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Post by THERION{QAW} on Jan 15, 2010 14:33:28 GMT -5
I can't think of any applications I'll use that are before Windows XP. It will notably be new games, ET, web surfing and MS Office. For those, the Home edition is sufficient? For this Windows 7 in its current version is good enough? These are my last two questions man, thanks! Sure man Home Edition is sufficient for that, and on the other hand i've seen a few peeps with the current version of 7 with no problems, if i can recall b2b have 7 and run hi's app's smoothly (ET, xfire, punkbuster, etc). In time MS will launch Service Packs, fixes, updates and stuff, so don't worry about that too soon. cheers and good luck
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 16, 2010 6:01:00 GMT -5
Thanks Therion. I'll order Windows 7 Home Edition this weekend!
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Post by cmdodelta on Jan 16, 2010 13:33:51 GMT -5
In fact, I have Windows 7 Ultimate only because someone I know was able to give me a key (a real key, not illegal or something). But if I had to buy it, would probably took the home edition aswell. Ultimate is lot more expensive and not really useful for people like us (as you said, gaming, office, internet, etc). The only important thing is to get 64-bit if you have more than 3Gb of RAM because 32bit can't handle more than that. Good luck
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 16, 2010 13:39:37 GMT -5
I ordered the Home edition 64bit, because my new system will have 6GB RAM!
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Post by cmdodelta on Jan 16, 2010 14:02:37 GMT -5
I ordered the Home edition 64bit, because my new system will have 6GB RAM! Yep, it's all good.
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Post by <AL>{QAW} on Jan 17, 2010 16:31:32 GMT -5
is there actually a 32 bit version of win 7 i didnt think there was any such thing .
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Post by cmdodelta on Jan 17, 2010 17:05:45 GMT -5
Ok i know it's in french but : windows.microsoft.com/fr-FR/windows7/products/features/64-bit-supportIt was not true with Windows Vista. But Windows 7: "Toutes les éditions commerciales de Windows 7 incluent le logiciel en 32 et en 64 bits. => Every editions of Windows 7 include 32 and 64 bits." So it's no longer a problem. But even If I had windows 7 ultimate, this computer was delivered with Windows Vista 64-bit. I guess I can buy an update to Windows 7 home edition? It would be great to have it lol. But never looked at this. Vista is bad. Don't want it.
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 21, 2010 20:06:05 GMT -5
ummm,..there is NOTHING! Professional about ANY! version of Winblows,..hehehe I never use ANY new OS unless I absolutely have to. (I still refuse work on Vista and Win7. Currently setting up two new workstations, (Honda & Ford) puters, both are being installed with WinXP and SSDs) ALWAYS wait for at LEAST the first service pak. I wait until M$ releases it's 'newest latest greatest OS', then I try the one they just finished with. ie. I just finished upgrading 4 of 5 computers on my LAN to WinXP. The last will stay Win2K, or be replaced because of it's age. I built a 'screamer' for myself, with a SSD and beefy PCIe card, ET looks great, but I won't be using it for ET because I wanted to upgrade the puter that feeds a big-screen, so it went into place there. (great quality vid, nice and quiet because of the SSD.) "Version #1 of ANYTHING is for the people with the time and the money, because that is what it will take from you"... and btw, 2GB-triple-channel will blow the doors of 6GB-of-single-channel RAM. Bigger is NOT always better. And to use dual/quad cores, you also need software that is 'multi-core' aware. Otherwise you gain nothing (running that app, but the multi-core aware OS will still be faster) Unless you're doing video-editing, anything beyond 4GB is moot. (unless of course you're running crappy new bloatware from M$) New software you can compare to Huckleberry Finn being charged with the task of whitewashing a fence. By the end of it, he has all his friends paying-him! to whitewash the fence. If you run brand-spanking-new software/OS, you're just being an unpaid bug-shooter for that company. M$ does a great job of getting people to pay to whitewash their fence. But hey, whata'I know, This is my 13th year for my computer biz (woohoo ), and I've been beating on them since I was a kid 30yrs. ago. 2c werth from an ol' fart
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Post by cmdodelta on Jan 21, 2010 21:41:50 GMT -5
The big proglem is that it starts to be harder to get windows XP. That's why when my dad asked me if I wanted Windows 7 (got Vista s...), I said yes lol. It's really better than Vista. And the other problem is that if I wanted XP, I should find a XP Pro to get 64-bit because I have 6 (and more) mb of RAM.
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 21, 2010 23:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 21, 2010 23:24:40 GMT -5
** oh Lion, I see you started this post. It was u that msgd me in ET and said you started building a PC, then my PC rebooted, I didn't know who pm'd me. My gaming rig will sometimes reboot. Go figger, POS Dell. Sorry for the no reply, wasn't a snub. anything u wanna know jes ask, details,details,details.
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 22, 2010 13:57:28 GMT -5
** oh Lion, I see you started this post. It was u that msgd me in ET and said you started building a PC, then my PC rebooted, I didn't know who pm'd me. My gaming rig will sometimes reboot. Go figger, POS Dell. Sorry for the no reply, wasn't a snub. anything u wanna know jes ask, details,details,details. I haven't started building yet, but I already have at home this: - Antec 300 tower - Antec Earthwatts 650 watt - Asus P6T SE - Intel i7 920 - Kingston 6GB DDR3-1333 - Microsoft Wireless Media Desktop 1000 - Windows 7 Home Edition 64bit I'm waiting on my ordered video card: - Club 3D HD5850 When that one arrives, I'm buying a Samsung Spinpoint harddisk and maybe a DVD/Blu Ray thingy. Corymbe helped me choose all the above
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 23, 2010 18:01:23 GMT -5
That is all fast stuff, the only thing I see missing is an SSD. Get one for your O/S to install on, and it will have plenty of room for ET. I'm using 32GB SSDs/$150CA. Get one for ur OS! Then if you need storage room, add a USB2.0 external Harddrive, 1TB runs about 90bucks. Good luck filling that, hehe. How big is the Samsung Spinpoint harddisk arriving?..us it as your 'storage'. Or run larger games/apps off it, put lightening-fast-stuff onto the SSD. It makes a noticable diff. (SSD), so if you've come this far with the equipment above (all good stuff, even the OS, if u don't mind the bug thing). You won't be soory u did, and u can always move the SSD to ur next computer. I use Patriot SSDs, have about 2 Doz. of them out there, and use one myself, no probs. This is the current one I install www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5572010&CatId=42142c wa
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 24, 2010 5:59:47 GMT -5
Yeah I remember you suggesting me a SSD before. I found it too expensive then, but I'm considering it now. For Windows 7 Home 64bit, how much space do I need: about 20gb?
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 24, 2010 14:36:06 GMT -5
according to most posts here, it looks like just under 10GB for 'average' Win7 install. www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/10753-minimum-install-size-win7-x64bit-ultimate.htmlM$ Win7 states it wants : The minimum requirements for disk space listed to install Windows 7 on is 16 GB for 32-bit and 20 GB for 64-bit Windows 7 And I mentioned a USB drive for extra storage, but an eSATA drive would be better/faster if your Mobo has an external connection for it.
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 24, 2010 15:43:19 GMT -5
I saw an affordable 40gb Kingston SSD. I'm considering it. Thanks man for your input
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Post by The HITCHER on Jan 24, 2010 17:37:00 GMT -5
I haven't started building yet, but I already have at home this: - Antec 300 tower - Antec Earthwatts 650 watt - Asus P6T SE - Intel i7 920 - Kingston 6GB DDR3-1333 - Microsoft Wireless Media Desktop 1000 - Windows 7 Home Edition 64bit I'm waiting on my ordered video card: - Club 3D HD5850 When that one arrives, I'm buying a Samsung Spinpoint harddisk and maybe a DVD/Blu Ray thingy. Corymbe helped me choose all the above Thats a monster rig lion! I'd definitely listen to the peeps telling you to go SSD though... they are just sooooo much faster than non solid state. Look at it this way, a computer 'feels' as fast as the slowest thing you have to wait for... this will always be accessing data from non volatile storage. Seeing as that graphics card runs around £250, I think spending just over £100 on something that will enhance every other part of your computer use experience is justified. If I was dropping a large amount on a complete new system right now, I'd probably be considering two 32GBs in raid 0... comfortable space for OS and the few most used programs and nearly twice the speed... mind blowingly fast compared to spinning drives. Pay attention to their specs when looking at SSD, their performance can vary quite a lot between models (get the fastest ).
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 25, 2010 13:42:50 GMT -5
Thanks Hitch. I've to look more closely into these SSD's, but I actually already decided to get one. My current computer is from 2001, so given the fact I do quite some time with my hardware I think a little more spending is justified. And you're right by saying your computer is as fast as the weakest link. Hmm, but still: damn you all for making me spend so much! I mean, after the SSD, what's next?
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Post by <AL>{QAW} on Jan 25, 2010 18:48:24 GMT -5
for $199.95 i would be willing to send ya 2 # of krptonite.........just send money order to.......po box 9999999 tuscalosa, maine 010010
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 25, 2010 22:42:02 GMT -5
Glad to hear about the SSD decision. You won't be sorry, and if you're moving from a 2001 computer, you're REALLY gonna see a big diff!.
and as Hitch mentioned, RAID is ur next step (future upgrade), as you add drives, your access speed increases to same data.
see this vid for some foolishness with SSDs,..hehe
Lion : "Hmm, but still: damn you all for making me spend so much! I mean, after the SSD, what's next?"
That's it!,..all you need then is this WidgetBoard I have here, (so everything will turn on of course!!), and you're all set!!
Yes, you've probably heard of them going for thousands of dollars..but have I got a deal for you!!..slightly used, it's not burnt, it was made to look that way...
email me, we'll werk out a deal...hehehe
You look done, I would say (again,..hehhe), if you've come this far... make sure you have a good keyboard and mouse. It's the connection! between you and the puter (+monitor). I see folks spend good $$ on a puter, go cheesy on the ms&kb, and then not like thier computer. Check some out, don't be scared to spend good $ for good quality ms&kb. Again, you won't regret it, and it moves to next computer. I tend to Logitech and (gasp) Micro$oft. Both make good durable! hardware.
these 2c are adding up too, I'll see you for an invoice later,.hehe
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Jan 26, 2010 3:37:28 GMT -5
Thanks Bastard. I've a new Microsoft Wireless Media Desktop 1000 (keyboard and mouse). It was a birthday present and that already makes me happy with it. Didn't use it yet, but ooh man the softness and silence of those keys... hmm... yeah, it's good.
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 26, 2010 13:58:21 GMT -5
TIP for after set up.
Now if Winblows follows its history, with 6GB of RAM, it will have a ridiculously large swap file.
I don't know why M$ just won't clue into the RAM/Swap file thing. As you add more RAM, Windows makes your swap file larger (I'm not aware what Vista or Win7 does, but every! WinOS up to that point does it this way).
Now in my book, I do not want the OS to use more hard drive as I add RAM, it defeats the purpose of having RAM!!
Anything with a lot of RAM (relative to every PC/user and their demands)., I will override the OS, and make the swap file 16MB or 32MB,...etc....not the 2GB that windows wants..(idiots!).
This forces more data into RAM. Windows likes to keep its RAM 'empty',..dunno what the hell for,..that's what it's there for!..
anyhoo. Because some games/apps will go looking for the swap file, is the reason I give it 'a little' something' so it doesn't balk.
But I have run PCs with no swap file, and they work fine, unless you have one of those apps that require having a swap file. I think Adobe is one of those culprits.
And if you have more than one SSD/HD in puter, it is better to put the OS on one drive, and the swap file on the other. So when ur PC is chugging along, it can read OS stuff thru one channel (at approx 220MB/sec), and deal with it's swap file thru another channel (at the 220MB/sec), which gives you over 400MB/sec data reads/writes. If OS and swap file on same drive, then it bottlenecks down to that single channel transfer rate, and data requests have to queue and wait.
If you PC ends up with OS-on-SSD, and you have a second SATAII HD in your PC, I would try: zero-swap-file-on the SSD, and start at 32MB swap file on the SATAII-HD. If windows/apps/games balk at this, just keep increasing the size of the swap file until things OK. Increase by 16MB each time for a finer-tweak, otherwise increase by 32MB to complete the 'tweaking' faster.
Once you've got a 'good size/Windows stops complaining' swap file, get urself a benchmarking app. Run it with the swap file on the HD, then benchmark it after moving swap file to SSD. Go with what is faster.
Good idea to defrag before making a swap file on your 2nd drv/HD. That helps speed it up. No need to defrag the SSD, its so internally fast, it moot point, (even tho I still will defrag it before making swap file, and after completing install, but I'm just anal is all, hehhe)
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Post by DaBastard on Jan 26, 2010 13:59:19 GMT -5
oh!,..and Happy B-Day! I'll waive my 2c since it's ur birthday,..hehe
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