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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 9:58:18 GMT -5
Hey peoples, havent been about for ages but i just wanted to bring something up that I thought was wrong. I Was playing a friendly match 2v2 or 3v3 cat remember, but redorc was AFK and subsiquently got kicked by 82nd.. He came back and was mad that he got kicked (and rightly so from the sounds of it) and he asked why and 82nd says something to the extent of, "you werent playing/helping so I kicked you".. the server had like 6-8people in it tops mind you so there was no reason to kick him from the server,, especially for doing NOTHING at all... Anyways 82nd then basically says (paraphrasing here) "why,, dont like it??, I know the admins.. Do you want to keep playing here?!?!" I was like WTF this isnt the qaw I remember playing in a year ago .. I stoped playing for a minute to see whats going on and Shank my teammate starts typing comments like"my teammate is **** useless" etc about me because i wasnt helping him defend in the game, I just left the server after that because I like most people dont really like to be abused, I just thought Id bring it to the attention of clan members that I didnt think it was very nice.. Pictures dont show 82nd saying the reason for kicking redorc because i was too slow with the screenshots but he still shouldnt be dealing out "well do you want to keep playing here i know admin" at all thats really crap thing to say.. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 9:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Solex{QAW} on Feb 17, 2011 10:32:47 GMT -5
First of all (not being present in that situation), 82nd or Redorc aren't server admin on QAW. If Redorc was on a team and was AFK, 82nd or any teammember has the right to "spec vote" him. If server isn't full, it should never be a "kick vote". Can't say Redorc's behaviour/language is the best.....but it wasnt the nicest vote call by 82nd either. Both of them should relax. And I disagree with you on the friendly players on QAW, I find it to be the most friendly server I know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 10:51:03 GMT -5
Im sorry if I gave the wrong impression, i love the QAW server and since i first played there a while back (after going into like 50 different servers) ive always called QAW home whenever i play ET. I believe for the most part everyone is really nice and I also agree its the friendliest server ive been in, the amount of abuse in some of the other servers is really crazy,, but all i meant was, that a year ago the players all knew their place in the game, having fun respecting others yadda yadda yadda. The thing is its just ive noticed alot more "u suck d**k" and otehr things when admin isnt around which i never saw a year ago when i used to play, back then everyone was the same when admin were present as when they were not. I certainly would not expect expect what happen from a 'friend of admins; or someone that is so regular to the server thats why I said something..
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Post by Sloniu{QAW} on Feb 17, 2011 11:11:59 GMT -5
I'm just curious which admins 82nd knows? It's funny that he said something like that, because even if 'friend' of admin brake rules or behave like an ass the admin will not tolerate it! Belive me! Also most of the time there is some jr admin or QAW member on server, so situations like above just don't happend. Or happened really rare. You know, we have lifes, we can't live on server 24/7 Like solex said, if some player is afk his teammate have right to call a 'spec vote', but calling kick vote is lame and not nice. Kick votes are only against ppl who keep braking rules, when some haxor is on and no admins presents. You know, when ppl knows there is no admin present they feel free to talk and to do what they want. We don't want to loose our regs and sooner or later, we take care of players that don't show repsect for our rules, players and mostly for newbies I hope You still enjoy playing here - see ya on server!
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Post by Lion{QAW} on Feb 17, 2011 13:41:57 GMT -5
Just to be sure of what happened: did 82nd vote kick the the AFK player? I mean, the guy has no admin powers... If he vote kicked him, then players had to vote "yes" to have the vote pass. Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 15:26:50 GMT -5
yes 82nd called a vote to kick him but the thing is (im pretty sure but a quick test will tell) it only has to be 1-0 for a kick vote to pass (unlike other votes) so if nobody knows whats going (and dont vote either way) and the person whos afk obviously doesnt vote then they get kicked. (If im right and this is true maybe something can be done server side to require more than the 1 vote for a kick IDK?).. I was also annoyed because when I stopped playing mid-game (i didnt go limbo) for 1-2mins to ask what was the deal about the kick and I then got abused by shank calling me a retard and saying i was a cocksucker because i stopped and left him to defend when i was his teammate.. Well I didnt say anything negative back to him but on the next map when i got back into the game I took the first 5mins and made it my mission to piss him off (for saying i was retarded and smoked poles). He obviously didnt like me messing wit his game (but i didnt like him calling me a cocksucker either).. Anyways I got some screens afterwards him yabbering on about me getting in his road/nading him etc (which I definately did do), and once again calling me a retard and saying suck my ****... I honestly wouldnt have gone about pissing him off if he didnt call me things, i know its not exactly ideal but at least it was gratifying.. Anyways I dont think the whole 'kicked' thing was as such the issue as "i know admin and i can get u kicked" BS that he was spinning to us after being confronted about the kick vote, I know this might seem trivial in some ways but making threats (apparently) backed by admin friends,, well thats basically as bad as actually claiming to be admin no? "You know, when ppl knows there is no admin present they feel free to talk and to do what they want. " ^^^^thats exactly why I started the thread..^^^^ I kinda feel bad that i named the thread what I did (because i know almost all of you are beautiful people), but honestly in my year or so on and off in the server (from jan 2009 to mid 2010) i had never been called anything like that in the QAW server, and now ive been playing again for only about a week (5 times or so) and has a few things like this happen already I just thought I should say something. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 15:27:20 GMT -5
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Post by majorglory on Feb 17, 2011 15:39:30 GMT -5
I kinda feel bad that i named the thread what I did (because i know almost all of you are beautiful people), but honestly in my year or so on and off in the server (from jan 2009 to mid 2010) i had never been called anything like that in the QAW server, and now ive been playing again for only about a week (5 times or so) and has a few things like this happen already I just thought I should say something. I can assure you if an admin had been on that the person who called you those names would have either been muted or kicked. Sadly we cant be on all the time. But the admins are on ALOT and I think most of the time there is of least one admin on. Dont forget at times the admins are hidden too and you may not know they are on. Anyways sorry you had this bad experience. Hope you keep coming to the server as overall this is a great group of players that just want to have fun!
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Post by SCOUT on Feb 17, 2011 19:46:52 GMT -5
Sorry for your experience. You have my attention.
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Post by <AL>{QAW} on Feb 17, 2011 23:36:21 GMT -5
likewise..........or ...........what he said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 12:44:32 GMT -5
Talk about turning an molehill into a mountain…. As Mark Twain said, “the news of my recent death has been greatly exaggerated”.
Here goes…. We were playing 3v3 on Oasis, Redorc was on my team - allies. Well he wasn’t playing. The day before, he spent at least 3 games running around the spawn TJing, tossing nades, etc. Doing absolutely nothing. The other allied player called a put spec vote on him. I didn’t vote. Redorc gave the other player a lot of verbal abuse over that. A few minutes later one the other player on our team dropped out.
That left me against 3 Germans with Redorc playing in the spawn. I called a kick and he was kicked. He immediately reconnected and was verbally abusive to me. He told me that he was going to have me kicked. I told him I knew the admins and go ahead. He continued to be very very disrespectful to me and other players. I may have responded to 2 of his comments. Then he eventually disconnected.
If you ask Corvus…. I’ve been sending him Emails about players who have been cheating or otherwise abusing the server. Redorc was rapidly falling into the “problem” category.
Today, Redorc was playing and all was fine. Nobody said anything, so much water under the bridge.
Me. I know Alfenwen, Bluey, Corvus, Scout, Davey Crockett, and several others. I’ve played here for several years without any incidents. I contribute $$ to fund the server. I was a member of the now dead XERO clan and I was an admin there for over 2 years. Honestly, I would have warned Redorc if he did that at XERO. As he carried on and ranted, I would have kicked him. I have no power to do that here. I have a low tolerance for BS and people trashing other’s property (IE the server).
That’s what happened….,
Mark H
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Post by majorglory on Feb 18, 2011 13:28:51 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your side 82nd. It makes more sense knowing both sides of the story. Hopefully everyone can get past this as it sounds like overall the whole thing was not that big of a deal and things just escalated quickly becuase of hurt feelings or whatever. The language that Shank directed towards wa11a200 was my biggest problem but that was not you anyways but another player. Also sounds like we should keep an eye on this Redorc as well. Anyways thanks for posting and I hope everyone can get past this and have fun!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 15:17:35 GMT -5
\ He immediately reconnected and was verbally abusive to me. He told me that he was going to have me kicked. I told him I knew the admins and go ahead. He continued to be very very disrespectful to me and other players. To clear things up a bit, your not actually refering to the day I was on the server are you (the day those screenshots were taken)?? because apart from redorc saying (quote) "i am pissed" (in relation to you kicking him) he never came across as "verbally abusive" or "disrespectful" at all.... Maybe annoyed he was kicked (THIS TIME) for no reason at all.. So I now just want to ask. Why did you call the kick vote at all when you told us in game the reason you did was SPECIFICALLY because he was AFK (you never mentioned him screwing around at all)?? And when someone with as much experience as yourself playing on the server should know not to call a kick vote for that anyways so why do it?? Just to clear things up with everyone (the day I was on the server) it wasnt redorc making the threats it was 82nd saying about knowing admin and getting redorc kicked!! Thats the whole reason I decided to say something, this wasnt even about me, it was between you two but I obviously felt strong enough about your actions to make this post. If redorc was making threats I would never have made this post and probably woulda just thought you were both asses (once again i dont know if you were refering to the day before ((or Mark Twain???)) in your post) And its funny how your entire post didnt actually clear anything up about what happened here at all, I mean you spent most of it talking about yourself, mark twain or other things that happened other times.... Can I ask you then why did a seasoned ET player like yourself call the kick vote straight away for someone that the same person said was AFK, why would you then decide to make the statement of "I know admin... do you still want to play here" obviosuly THREATENING redorc about a possible ban (because of your implied close ties with admin).. You never took any time to explain anything to anyone which also added to my annoyance towards the situation, i mean redorc was back asking you "why was i kicked" for about 2-3mins before you even said anything about what happend.. So what.... Are you saying it is ok to make threats like you did without even explaining or telling a person what they did wrong...?? I want to also point out that the whole last half of your response (well the bulk of it really) had no information pertaining to the incident because you make reference to something that happened the day before so to actually follow all that and end your post with "That’s what happened…" is just plain stupid, your whole post is basically just an attempt to paint another picture other than what happened THIS DAY.. Anyways long story short its clear you obviously know better than to kick for no reason and make threats so I dont know why this thread even needed to be made... Im sorry I even bothered
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