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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 15:22:47 GMT -5
Hey ya's! Well, tax time is here and i've been thinking about buying a new computer.. this old thing has to go! (DELL 8500). soo, i goto an old favorite site. www.falcon-nw.com/configure-falconi really want a Mach. V. but, that would eat up my whole tax return. soo im thinking more of the Talon! this is the build i put together..(hope it shows up) build.falcon-nw.com/?s=2anyways, Has anyone ever bought from here before? should i consider just building my own from newegg or something? just scared to click checkout..and then find out i got ripped off.. or the hardware is junk.. i want a nice high endish gaming comp. that wont lagg out when i have spell particles and blood turned on! anyfeed back is great! thank you. /hugs okay the second link didnt save my settings.. here's the build specs: Here is your customized Talon system configuration. System Details Chassis Talon - Standard Black Chassis Fan Kit Standard Fan Pack Power Supply 1200 Watt Modular Motherboard P9X79 Pro Processor Intel® Core™ i7 3930K 3.2Ghz Processor Cooler Liquid Cooling Processor Overclock No Processor Overclock Memory 16GB (4x4GB) 1600MHz Video Card Radeon HD 6970 (2GB) Video Card 2 Radeon HD 6970 (2GB) Monitor 24" 1920x1080 Sound Card On-Board Audio Networking On-Board Ethernet Hard Drive 500GB - 7200RPM - 6Gb/s Optical Drive 24x DVD Writer Media Reader Internal Media Reader 64-Bit Operating System Windows 7 Professional Warranty Talon - 1 Year Warranty
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Post by BlaZeR on Feb 7, 2012 20:50:59 GMT -5
Seems like a monster, pretty decent for gaming
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 20:41:13 GMT -5
well, i looked at the Exact same gear on newegg. and if i was to build it myself, it would be a little over $1k cheaper!
im wondering why i shouldnt go that route.. i get a warranty with newegg as well as with northwest.. a few hours of building and software installs is well worth saving that kinda money to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 22:14:58 GMT -5
I have always built my gaming machines and servers from NewEgg. Its always cheaper and you always get exactly what you want. I would invest in an SSD for gaming and would go with a bigger monitor. I dont know what other games you play but I'm not a huge fan of SLI ... If you only play ET its runs smoother on a single card..If you are unsure how to do liquid cooling you may want to look into this coolitsystems.com/
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Post by BlaZeR on Feb 9, 2012 21:40:30 GMT -5
Well same happens to Alienware machines you can always build it by your own and save a lot of money, I have never bought a previously built machine cause they cost much more than the content is. I guess that everyone goes for the easiest way. Good to see that you're looking out for some other resources check amazon they have great offers too.
Greetings
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2012 12:54:05 GMT -5
Building yourself is fine and dandy if you have done it a fair bit in the past. When building a top end rig for yourself I find the pleasure of putting it all together and playing your first round of ET on the new beast is quite satisfying.
That being said you do not have a warranty on parts being damaged by you when you build, and making sure you can exchange/return just about anything in your build in case something doesn't work correctly with the other parts is important.
I like your parts choice, with the exception of you need an SSD or 2 or more in a raid config, you'll never go back to gaming on a regular HDD after.
As well as ATI has released their 7000 series cards, would recommend getting 1 of the newest gen cards and maybe filling it in with another later down the road rather then dropping a bunch of money on old cards.
Liquid cooling is usually overkill unless you plan on overclocking and doing the like, I'd just get a really good heatsink for your cpu and you'll have less headaches and won't have the nightmare of installing a setup yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 13:24:18 GMT -5
pyrestar Can you explain the Raid thing, and why it's a better way to please if it's not too expensive or over complicated i may want to try it! Thanks /Hugs
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Post by Zohar{QAW} on Feb 28, 2012 15:12:49 GMT -5
RAID uses multiple physical drives as one logical drive. The purpose is to increase performance, provide redundancy, or both. In a gaming rig you'd probably use RAID 0, which results in the capacity being the sum of the drives, and performance being increased by roughly 60% for each drive added. For example, if you have 2 physical drives, each one is 500GB, and reads at 50MB/s. Using those drives in a RAID 0 array would result in one logical drive of 1TB, and it would read at around 75-80MB/s. Adding another identical drive would increase the capacity to 1.5TB, and the read speed to around 100-110MB/s, and so on. Using the right SSDs you can get better increases per drive, and hit transfer rates in the 500-600MB/s range. The down side to RAID0 is that if any one drive fails, the whole array is lost.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 16:26:11 GMT -5
Thank you Zohar, that explained it perfectly.. soo instead of having just one HD reading at 50/mb's it's better to have 2 (or 3) reading at the same time and getting the read speed up to 75-80MB/s. or more.
you said using the right SSDs...does that mean finding the right Solid State Hard drives to buy/use?
Thanks again
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Post by Zohar{QAW} on Mar 2, 2012 12:10:25 GMT -5
Yep, SSDs vary quite a bit in their speeds. Just taking a look this morning, I see that now you can get the Corsair Force GT 90GB, which reads at 550MB/s and writes at 500 by itself, for less than $150. 2 of those in RAID 0 would reach something like 800-900 MB/s. For about $160 you could also get 2x Crucial M4, which wont write nearly as fast (95MB/s individually) but read at 415MB/s. For about the same price as 1 Force GT, you could have a 128GB array that reads at around 700 or so, and writes at 165ish.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 13:45:56 GMT -5
Awesome!
Thanks soo much for the info!
soo much has changed! i always thought DELL was the way to go! but, the more and more i learn.. building your own is WAYYY Better than any DELL i could buy stock! and cheaper! im just scared i'll screw somthing up putting everything together..lol
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Post by Zohar{QAW} on Mar 2, 2012 14:57:03 GMT -5
It is pretty fool proof these days. Most things are color coded and will only fit one way. One thing I STRONGLY recommend when building a rig - be absolutely paranoid about static. Get a wrist strap and clip it to the jackplate screws on an outlet, or clip it to the power supply case WITH the power cable plugged in on both ends. Even if the mains switch is off, it'll still be grounded. Static can easily damage parts in such a way that they will still work, but will be unstable. I would guess that 9 times out of 10 when someone builds a system from all new parts and it is unstable/crashes/acts weird, its cause they damaged something with static that wasn't quite enough to kill it. Also, installing RAM often takes more pressure than you might think, so don't be afraid to lean on it a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 14:26:23 GMT -5
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Post by amig0 on Mar 5, 2012 1:05:54 GMT -5
hey, are those solid disks secure? i have read rumors of being corrupted because or drivers/firmwares?
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Post by DaBastard on Mar 6, 2012 10:30:44 GMT -5
definetly use a SSD for boot/OS drive.
Biggest 'bang for your buck' you can add to your computer.
Approx. doubles speed of your computer for $100.. no brainer.. To take it further would be 2 or more SSDs in the RAID. (keep a reg. HDD for storage)
btw folks, PCs you buy nowadays will most likely be your last or 2nd to last PC you'll own. (in that incarnation anyways).
Everything in the future will be a tablet. It's begun.
oh, and don't put any $$ in CDs or DVDs, they're also a dead tech.
And if you haven't heard of The Singularity, now might be a good time to begin building your bunker, hehe
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Post by DaBastard on Mar 6, 2012 10:40:23 GMT -5
whoops, re: SSD dependability. I've been installing SSDs in and PC/Laptop I build/sell for about the last 4 years. They DO fail. But what we're dealing with is a version #1 of something, new tech with bugs. They've gotten a lot of the bugs worked out (the SSDs would slow down over time was a common one). Intel put a 10yr warranty on some of the SSDs it had problem with, so at least you could get it replaced, not out any $$, but data gone Patriot also upper a warranty on their SSDs. So if you have a hardware prob., the OEM will probably replace it. Out of the about 50 SSDs I've got out there, I RMA'd (2) of them (a Corsair and Patriot), and a couple of others I'm watching, dunno yet. So if I got 4 fails out of 50, that's 8% fail rate. Kinda high for tech. But the return on performance is worth the risk. I won't build a computer without on. Customer doesn't want to pay, he can go elsewhere. (Customers much happier with PC and zippy SSD, so best to keep folks happy. ) What I have out there, about half are Intel SSDs. I've had no problems with them, so I tend to use Intel SSDs 80-90% of the time. (usually try another OEM when on sale)
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Post by DaBastard on Mar 9, 2012 11:37:24 GMT -5
umm, re: the static-elec wrist strap. Over the last 30 yrs working on computers, used one very rarely. (Only when the equipment was worth more than I make in a year ! hehe) The 'workaround' is to mount power supply, and plug it in, (in a properly grounded outlet). If you have the power supply plugged in, it grounds the case. So you just make sure you keep touching the metal case before and during while you install components. oh, and don't install shag carpet in your workspace, hehe fyi, easier to work just touching case than being tethered to a computer (I do get tethered to computers, but only in my nightmares ) EDIT: When you mount the PS and plug in, you can keep the switch on PS switched OFF and it will still ground the case. And there 'shouldn't'* be any power in any connectors until the PS gets 'turned on by motherboard' *exceptions to every rule :/
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Post by DaBastard on Mar 9, 2012 11:51:48 GMT -5
hmm, never planned on hi-jacking this thread, hehe
Nikki, I see an onboard-sound spec'd. Sound processing onboard will steal some CPU cycyles and RAM. Very miniscule amount nowadays compared to the processing power avail. But fyi, you will a leeeetle more speed out of computer if you install an add-on sound card. (Save more $$ by spec'ing a mobo without on-board sound so you're not paying for something you won't use).
Also, on 'cheap' mobo, and poorly designed, I've seen an 'interference' with USB hubs, HDD controllers and the onboard sound. ie: You have sound playing, and the computer 'uses' the HDD or USB ports, and you get a pause/silent blip for sound. It's due to the computer babysitting all the devices, and sometimes they have to drop sound for a second to use HDD/USB. With an add-on card, all the processing is on the sound-card, with some buffering. So if computer locks up into a hi-processing process, the sound should be OK.
the short of it, hehe on-board sound is OK, add-on cards are better.
(on-board sound processing has improved tremendously over the last few years because of the increase in CPU power. I set up a business computer, I go with on-board sound. I set up a gaming rig/home-media-center, I use an add-on card)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2012 15:02:39 GMT -5
Good catch on the sound card. I have always used Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty pci-e with my pc350 sennheiser headset and you can pretty much hear ppl across the map.
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